August 20th 2008
Beware Of The Ditches!

by steve on Gospel & Christian Living

Once when I was a teenager, I took a curve too fast in a hard rain and went spinning off the road into a ditch on the side of the road. Thankfully no one was hurt, there was no damage to the car, and I was able to drive out without the assistance of a tow truck. In life, landing in a metaphorical ditch involves real consequences.

A group of us just finished Cornelius Plantinga’s book, Not the Way It’s Supposed to Be, which deals with the effects of the Fall (Genesis 3) on life in this world, and God’s plan of restoration. (I’ve quoted from it before, in the comments here). It is easy to get off course in our journey with Jesus. Plantinga gives a great description of the ditches, so to speak, we can fall into on either side of the narrow pathway Jesus told us we must travel. One ditch is becoming so focused on sin that we fail to exalt our perfect Savior. The other ditch is to think only of grace, and lose sight of the sin which makes God’s magnanimous grace so necessary. Here’s how he says it:

To speak of sin by itself, to speak of it apart from the realities of creation and grace, is to forget the resolve of God. God wants shalom and will pay any price to get it back. Human sin is stubborn, but not as stubborn as the grace of God and not half so persistent, not half so ready to suffer to win its way. Moreover, to speak of sin by itself is to misunderstand its nature: sin is only a parasite, a vandal, a spoiler. Sinful life is a partly depressing, partly ludicrous caricature of genuine human life. To concentrate on our rebellion, defection, and folly — to say to the world “I have some bad news and I have some bad news” — is to forget that the center of the Christian religion is not our sin but our Savior. To speak of sin without grace is to minimize the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the fruit of the Spirit, and the hope of shalom.

But to speak of grace without sin is surely no better. To do this is to trivialize the cross of Jesus Christ, to skate past all the struggling by good people down the ages to forgive, accept, and rehabilitate sinners, including themselves, and therefore to cheapen the grace of God that always comes to us with blood on it. What had we thought the ripping and writhing on Golgotha were all about? To speak of grace without looking squarely at these realities, without painfully honest acknowledgment of our own sin and its effects, is to shrink grace to a mere embellishment of the music of creation, to shrink it down to a mere grace note. In short, for the Christian church . . . to ignore, euphemize, or otherwise mute the lethal reality of sin is to cut the nerve of the gospel. For the sober truth is that without full disclosure on sin, the gospel of grace becomes impertinent, unnecessary, and finally uninteresting.

Either of these ditches is not “The Way.” Beware of the ditches!

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August 18th 2008
help us obi wan, you’re our only hope (c) princess leia

by pablo on Culture & Church

something about this article rubs me the wrong way.

i can’t wrap my head around the idea that Pastor R2D2 is a good future for the Church.  to me, it begs the question; what are we willing to sacrifice for the Church to grow?  those that know me know that i am perfectly comfortable adjusting the culture of the American Church, yet without taking any liberties with the Scriptures.  however, there are a few things that i believe that the Church must retain or it will absolutely lose its purpose.  one of those things is community in the form of relationships.

in other words, you can’t have a relationship with a hologram, and you can’t have a relationship with the people on the TV screen.  then again,  you can attend church faithfully and still fail miserably at building meaningful and authentic relationships unless you put some effort into it. 

media is a great supplement to your other efforts to learn and walk with God.  but if you remove relationships, what you are left with is a faith in which 1/2 of the Great Commission is dead at the door.

the main problem with this approach is that it immediately implies that only the pastors have the power to attract/help people.  that’s bologna.  the Church was built on average joe’s.  and it grew on the backs of bold, yet relatively unprepared leadership.  we should all be doing our part.

we beat the drum of “community” at gateway, and we refuse to stop.  however, i can’t help but think that we too need to take greater strides to create a deeper and more loving community.  what do you (and i) need to do differently or more consciously?

relax, we won’t be bring you steve via youtube any time soon. 

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August 13th 2008
We Changed Our Email Feed

by steve on Uncategorized

If you signed up to get our updates by email, we apologize for the problems you’ve encountered. But we opened the hood, got our hands dirty, and think we have the problem fixed. However, you’ll need to do two things.

• First, simply email the words “opt out” to optout@rssfwd.com

• Next, sign up for the new email feed in the column to the left.

That’s all there is to it.

What happened? (Inquiring minds want to know)

The service we were using (RSSFWD) encountered problems while trying to upgrade their service. They said it would be fixed soon, but after waiting a couple of months now, we decided we needed to provide you more reliable service. That’s why we switched to Feedburner.

See my related post: How RSS Changed My Life

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August 13th 2008
Real Holiness

by steve on Gospel & Christian Living

We’ve all heard the phrase “holier than thou.” Even though each and every one of us is equally responsible for the cross of Christ, there are people—quite often it’s Christians—that look down at other people and hold a self-righteous (and false) notion of moral superiority. Dr. Sinclair Ferguson says that a false holiness, or self-righteous sanctification, repels both unbelievers and weak believers. The four Gospels make it crystal clear that broken and struggling people were not put off by Jesus, the most holy person who has ever walked on this planet. It was the religious leaders, whom Jesus confronted and chastised for their self-righteous attitudes, that repelled the spiritually needy. Dr. Ferguson says it this way:

“One of the things about the holiness of our Lord Jesus Christ was the way his holiness actually attracted weak believers to him, and that he brings this out as a kind of a test case of our sanctification, our holiness — ‘in as much as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me.’ The evidence of my holiness therefore is not the way I rub shoulders with those who have it all together, but the way I devote myself to those who have almost nothing together, and I show them the love of the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s where Christlike holiness is most likely to emerge.”*

Do you, like Jesus, welcome those who have “almost nothing together”? Are struggling “sinners” drawn to you or repelled by you? Phariseelikeness (fake holiness) repels. Christlikeness (real holiness) attracts.

It is real holiness that Hebrews 12:14 speaks of: “Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”

*2007 Banner of Truth Minister’s Conference, “Our Holiness: Abiding In Christ’s Love”

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August 12th 2008
talkin’ about my generation (c) the who

by pablo on God's Word

i came across an interesting passage this morning in the book of judges.  for a little backstory, let me paraphrase the book of joshua for you:

Moses dies
God tells Joshua to take the people to the city walls and blow trumpets
“And the walls came tumbling down…” ** you know the song, c’mon **
God to Joshua -> Kill everyone and take the land I promised you
Joshua kills everyone and divides the land

now, this obviously is a very rough paraphrase, but that’s the way it reads.  God fulfills His promise and Israel’s enemies suffer the brunt of it.

moving on to judges, it starts off with joshua dying, kinda like the book of joshua starts off with moses dying.  this begins the historical record of the time of the judges which end with monarchy down the road with saul.

it tells the story of how the people of God, who were supposed to inhabit the land which He gave to them, began to cohabitate with the people that were already there and, eventually, began to worship their gods again.

really?  what, the walls of jericho falling down at the sound of a trumpet didn’t seal the deal with you guys?

here is the problem:

Judges 2:6-12  When joshua had dismissed the people, the sons of Israel went each to his inheritance to possess the land. The people served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders who survived Joshua, who had seen all the great work of the LORD which He had done for Israel. Then Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the LORD, died at the age of one hundred and ten. And they buried him in the territory of his inheritance in Timnath-heres, in the hill country of Ephraim, north of Mount Gaash. All that generation also were gathered to their fathers; and there arose another generation after them who did not know the LORD, nor yet the work which He had done for Israel. Then the sons of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD and served the Baals, and they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods from among the gods of the peoples who were around them, and bowed themselves down to them; thus they provoked the LORD to anger.

the problem is not so much that they forgot what God had done for them, or that their faith died.  the problem is that their faith died with them.  in other words, they failed to teach these things to the next generation so that they could know and have faith themselves.

i am remembering 2 peter chapter 1 (we read this in house church on sunday) where he asserts that they heard the voice of God from the heavens themselves.  he is giving his eyewitness account of what he himself saw and heard.

we must teach our kids, we must speak of the great things that God has done and is doing. 

perhaps this is the boat that american christianity is in?  have we become so blessed that being blessed is status quo and we are forgetting to praise Him for what He was done?  are we cohabitating with God’s enemies and worshipping false gods?

judges 2:14  The anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and He gave them into the hands of plunderers who plundered them; and He sold them into the hands of their enemies around {them,} so that they could no longer stand before their enemies.

God help us.

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August 8th 2008
Should You Pass on Bad Reports?

by steve on Christian Living

Justin Taylor posted an article by Tim Keller and David Powlison on passing on bad reports and invited bloggers who agreed to either link to it or post it. Since it is so good, and so needed these days, I’m going to post the whole thing here. Please read it all, and then read it again. Perhaps print it out. For sure, tell others to read it.

Should You Pass on Bad Reports?
by Tim Keller & David Powlison

One obvious genius of the internet is that it’s “viral.” Information explodes to the whole world. The old neighborhood grapevine and the postal service seem like ox-carts in a speed-of-light universe. (Do twenty-somethings even know what those antiquities once were? In the old days, people had to talk to each other or stick a stamp on an envelope.) Instantaneous transmission produces some wonderfully good things. Truth, like joy, is infectious. A great idea feeds into a million inboxes. But it also produces some disastrous evils. Lies, rumors, and disinformation travel just as far and just as fast.

So what should you do when you hear “bad reports” about a person or church or ministry? We want to offer a few thoughts on how to remain constructive. To paraphrase Ephesians 4:29, “Let no unwholesome words come out of your computer, but only what is constructive, in order to meet the need of the moment, that what you communicate will give grace to everyone who ever reads it.” That Greek word translated “unwholesome” is sapros. It means something that is inedible, either devoid of nutritional value or rotten and even poisonous. It applies to thorny briars or to fish or fruit that’s gone bad. At best, it’s of no benefit to anyone. At worst, it’s sickening and destructive. Consider three things in how to stay constructive.

What Does James Say about Passing Along Bad Reports?

Humble yourselves before the Lord.
Brothers, don’t slander or attack one another.
(James 4:10-11)

The verb “slander” simply means to “speak against” (Gk. kata-lalein). It is not necessarily a false report, just an “against-report.” The intent is to belittle another. To pour out contempt. To mock. To hurt. To harm. To destroy. To rejoice in purported evil. This can’t mean simple disagreement with ideas—that would mean that we could never have a debate over a point. This isn’t respectful disagreement with ideas. James warns against attacking a person’s motives and character, so that the listeners’ respect and love for the person is undermined. “As the north wind brings rain, so slander brings angry looks” (Prov. 25:23). Everybody gets upset at somebody else: slanderer, slanderee, slander-hearer.   

The link of slander to pride in James 4:10 shows that slander is not the humble evaluation of error or fault, which we must constantly be doing. Rather, in slander the speaker speaks as if he never would do the same thing himself. It acts self-righteous and superior toward one’s obviously idiotic inferiors. Non-slanderous evaluation is fair-minded, constructive, gentle, guarded, and always demonstrates that speakers sense how much they share the same frailty, humanity, and sinful nature with the one being criticized. It shows a profound awareness of your own sin. It is never “against-speaking.”

James 5:9 adds a nuance: “Don’t grumble against one another.” Literally, it means don’t moan and groan and roll your eyes. This refers to a kind of against-speaking that is not as specific as a focused slander or attack. It hints at others flaws, not only with words, but by body language and tone. In print, such attitudes are communicated by innuendo, guilt by association, sneering, pejorative vocabulary. In person, it means shaking your head, rolling your eyes, and re-enforcing the erosion of love and respect for someone else. For example, “You know how they do things around here. Yadda, yadda. What do you expect?” Such a “groan” accomplishes the same thing as outright slander. It brings “angry looks” to all concerned. Passing on negative stuff always undermines love and respect. It’s never nourishing, never constructive, never timely, never grace-giving.

What Does the Book of Proverbs Say about Receiving Bad Reports?

He who covers over an offense promotes love,
but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.
(Proverbs 17:9)

The first thing to do when hearing or seeing something negative is to seek to “cover” the offense rather than speak about it to others. That is, rather than let a bad report “pass in” to your heart as truth, and then get “passed along” to others, you should seek to keep the matter from destroying your love and regard for a person. How?

Start by remembering your own sinfulness. “All a man’s ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the Lord” (Prov. 16:2). To know this automatically keeps you from being too sure of your position and of speaking too strongly against people that you hear about or people on the other side of a conflict. You intuitively realize that you may not be seeing things right. Your motives are never as pure as you think they are. To know this acts to keep you from being too sure of the facts, too sure of your position, and of speaking too quickly and too negatively about other people. Knowing your own sinfulness helps you not make snap judgments that take what you hear too seriously.

When you remember your sinfulness, remember God’s mercies. “Love covers all offenses” (Prov. 10:12). The God who is love has covered all your offenses. He knows everything about you (and the whole story about that other person). He has chosen to forgive you, and life-saving mercy cost Jesus his life. He could write you up with a 100% True Bad Report, but he has chosen to bury your sins in the depths of the ocean. That makes the life and death difference. If your sins are not buried in the ocean of his mercy, then you will be justly exposed and will justly perish. But when you’ve known mercy, then even when you hear report of grievous evil, an instinct toward mercy should arise within you. To savor the tasty morsels of gossip and bad reports is very different from grieving, caring, and wishing nothing less than the mercies of Christ upon all involved. And most bad reports are much more trivial. They are the stuff of busybodies and gossips going “tut-tut-tut.”

Then remember that there is always another side. “The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him” (Prov. 18:17). You never have all the facts. And you never have all the facts you need all at once. You are never in a position to see the whole picture, and therefore when you hear the first report, you should assume you have far too little information to draw an immediate conclusion. What you’ve heard from someone else is only “hear-say” evidence. It has no standing or validity unless it is confirmed in other ways.

So when you hear a negative report about another, you must keep it from passing into your heart as though it were true. If you pass judgment based on hear-say, you are a fool. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t check out the facts. Go to the person. Hear other witnesses. If you’re far away from the scene, wait for more of the story to come out. Suspend judgment. Don’t get panicked or stampeded by mob-psychology and rumors. Be content not to know many things. You don’t need to have an opinion about everything and everyone.

Third, what should you do if you are close enough to the situation to be involved AND you think the injustice or matter is too great or grievous for you to ignore? For starters, notice that you only really need to know something if it touches your sphere of life and relationships. In that case, you should do what will help you to express God’s call upon you to speak Ephesians 4:29 words of wise love.

In Derek Kidner’s commentary on Prov. 25:7–10, he writes that when you think someone has done wrong you should remember, “One seldom knows the full facts (v.8) and one’s motives in spreading a story are seldom as pure as one pretends (v.10). To run to the law or to the neighbors is usually to run away from the duty of personal relationship.” See Christ’s clinching comment in Matthew 18:15: “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.” In short, if you feel the problem is too great and you can’t keep it from destroying your regard for the person, you must go personally before you go to anyone else.

When Should You Go?

Galatians 6:1 says we are to go when a person is caught in a trespass. That means there should be some kind of “pattern” or the unmistakeable exposure of a wrong. Don’t go the first time you hear a bad report about someone doing wrong. As we said above, there’s another side to most stories, and our motives are never totally pure when we get indignant. Go if the person seems caught—that is, trapped or stuck in a habit pattern of wrong behavior or falsehood.

How Should You Go?

Galatians 6:1 says we are to restore gently and in humility, bearing all the fruit of the Spirit. Beware of your own tendencies to be tempted—perhaps to the same sin, perhaps to reactive sins of self-righteousness or judgmentalism, perhaps to avoidance sins of cover-up and pretending. Galatians 6:2 goes on to say that we actually fulfill the law of Christ by bearing each other’s burdens. We become nothing less than lesser redeemers in the pattern of our Great Redeemer. Jesus in Matthew 18:15ff says we should also go persistently, and not give up in the process. Patience is one fruit of the Spirit because problems don’t always clear up quickly. There is a progression in efforts to get to the bottom of a bad report, to confirm the facts, and to work at bringing restoration.

Who Should Go?

Galatians 6 says you—plural—who are spiritual should go to the straying one. That both defines how you should go and it calls for multiple people to get involved. Similarly Matthew 18:15ff says to bring in other people if matters don’t resolve one to one. The right kind of checking out a bad report is always done in person and often will be done by involving multiple wise persons.

Why Should You Go?

In both Galatians 6 and Matthew 18 the goal is to restore the person and to re-establish sin-broken relationships. You are working to restore people both to God and to others.

Conclusion

In summary, from the Old Testament to the New Testament, the principle is this. If you hear bad reports about other Christians you must either cover it with love or go to them personally before speaking of it to any others.

  • The first thing to do is to simply suspend judgment. Don’t pass on bad reports.      
  • The second thing to do is “cover” it in love, reminding yourself that you don’t know all about the heart of the person who may have done evil—and you know your own frailty. Don’t allow bad reports to pass into your own heart.
  • The final thing to do is go and speak to them personally.    

What you should never do is rush to judgment, or withdraw from loving another, or pass on the negative report to others. This is challenge enough when you’re dealing with the local grapevine or slow-moving postal service. In a world of instant world-wide communication of information it’s an even bigger challenge, because you can do bigger damage more quickly. Whether the bad report offers true information, or partial information, or disinformation, or false information—it is even more important that you exercise great discretion, and that you take pains to maximize boots-on-the-ground interpersonal relationships.

(click here to go to Justin’s blog)

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David Powlison has responded to some of the feedback from this post. He says, “I’m struck that many commenters focus on identifying the exceptions, rather than camping out on the major emphasis of our short article—everything that comes from our mouths (and computers) should be truly constructive to any who hear or read. We should actively intend good, seeking to ‘give grace to those who hear.’” (read the rest here)

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August 6th 2008
The Christian And Politics

by steve on Culture & Gospel & Christian Living

My point in posting this is neither to endorse nor attack any of the men I’m quoting. I’m simply posting contrasting points of view by prominent evangelicals. I’d like to know whose point of view you think is correct and why.

In a previous post, we quoted Dr. Al Mohler, who said “…evangelicals have invested far too much hope in the political process.”

On July 12, 2008, in an interview with David Wheaton, Dr. John MacArthur, made some extraordinary statements regarding Christian involvement in the political process. David Wheaton asked: “Are you concerned about the next president of the United States, John MacArthur, as far as what direction he’s going to take the country?”

Dr. MacArthur replied:

I’m not concerned about that for 5 seconds. It has nothing to do with the kingdom of God — absolutely nothing to do with it. The Lord will build his Church; I’m concerned about his Church. I’m concerned about the name of Christ, the gospel, the glory of God, the purity of the Church, the clarity of the teaching of the word of God. Jesus said it as clearly as it could be said when he said to Pilate, ‘My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight.’ His kingdom has nothing to do with this world. You could argue that the Roman power was oppressive, and even deadly, as indicated in Luke 13 when Pilate’s men went in and sliced up the Jews who were worshiping in the Temple. You can make the case that Jesus should have done something to obliterate slavery, or overturn Roman oppression, and free the people of Israel. It has nothing to do with that — ‘My kingdom has nothing to do with that. My kingdom is not of this world.’

Obviously, as a human being, I would like to see someone who is moral; I’d like to see someone who is a Christian have an opportunity to influence things from a viewpoint of Christianity. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with the advance of the kingdom of God. I am much more concerned about the kingdom that is not of this world than the kingdom that is America.”

Dr. James Dobson, the nation’s most influential evangelical leader, according to the New York Times and the Religious Right’s kingmaker, according to the New Republic, takes the opposing point of view. Dr. Dobson said on his national radio broadcast on July 21, 2008, that Barak Obama’s beliefs on key issues should alarm conservative Christians. On June 24, 2008, Dr. Dobson appeared on the Sean Hannity radio show and said, “What terrifies me is the thought that he [Barak Obama] might be our president . . . might be in the Oval Office . . . might be the leader of the free world . . . might be the commander in chief. . . .”

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According to the New York Times, “Dr. Dobson acknowledged that his plunge into partisan politics had irrevocably changed his public image. ‘I can’t go back, nor do I want to,’ he said. ‘I will probably endorse more candidates. This is a new day. I just feel a real need to make use of this visibility.’”

Dr. Dobson regularly rallies Christians to contact their political representatives. In fact, he formed Focus on the Family Action, to handle those activities which constitute lobbying under the IRS code.

Dr. Dobson believes political involvement is an important way to battle the moral, cultural, and political issues that threaten our nation.

In his book, Why Government Can’t Save You, Dr. MacArthur says, “I’m concerned about the prevailing mindset that makes political and social activism the primary business of Christianity and reduces faith in Christ to just another political force . . . By looking to human means to reform society and establish Christian values, we’ve denigrated God’s sovereignty over human history and events. Imagine what the world must think of our God. Do we think Him so weak and incapable of caring for us that we prefer using protests and political pressure rather than the spiritual resources He offers? And do we believe He has lost control and we have to get it back for Him? . . . We need to let go of the notion that culture and government are the enemy. It’s simply wrong to blame our country’s moral disintegration on political parties, liberal conspiracies, or biased media. They have never been the root of the problem. They are the mission field, not the enemy.”

Please note, Dr. MacArthur believes Christians should vote and fulfill their civic responsibility. He just doesn’t see politics as the answer to America’s ills.

So do you agree with Dr. MacArthur or Dr. Dobson, or do you have a different viewpoint? Please do not make comments about particular candidates, their positions or statements, or political parties — such comments will not be allowed.

Phil Johnson, of PyroManiacs renown, addresses this issue in The Foolishness of Preaching the Gospel. There it is noted that, “This excerpt from the sermon addresses the controversy that exists between the ministry of Dr. John MacArthur and that of Dr. James Dobson (Focus on the Family), on the issue of preaching the gospel to change the wickedness of man versus using political legislation to accomplish that end.”

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August 5th 2008
manna for today

by pablo on Uncategorized

one of the brothers that comes to the house church has been struggling to find work.  he’s been looking everywhere and gets lead after lead that eventually become another disappointment.  but last week, he was able to land a short-term job that paid him enough for a month’s bills…last month’s bills that is.

with a smile on his face, he recounted how the Lord had met his needs, “but only manna for today.”

remember the story about how God fed his people with manna while they were in the desert?  it’s a very miraculous story, one that clearly tells of the faithfulness of God to provide for His people.  but He allows them only to gather what they need for that day, and the remaining manna would rot by morning forcing His people to rely not on their planning skills (i.e. storing of food) but on the provision of God.

God’s provision is not always something that is recurring, like a steady cash flow source.  His promises of provisions last only but today, leaving us in the same place that the Israelites were when they were gathering manna; dependent.

but isn’t that enough?  perhaps not for us and our desire to control the outcome of our lives or the current state of our comfort.  but if God fed us daily, ONLY daily, wouldn’t we be good for the rest of our lives?

this is easily said from a man with a steady job and the ability to fend for myself for a little while, but i hope that if i ever end up in that position, that i can walk in faith and only gather my manna for the day.

i read this morning in the book of joshua where Israel finally moves towards the promised land, after moses died and under joshua’s leadership.  it was then that the manna stopped.  God had provided for them daily food until it was time for Him to bless His people with something more permanent.

i imagine that some of you reading this may find yourself in some variation of this situation.  you are praying, hoping that God will provide something for you.  be ready to get only manna for today.  He may not give you any more.

but you know what?  it is definitely enough.

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August 1st 2008
The Gospel Is Not Good Advice

by steve on Quotes & Gospel

“The gospel is not good advice to men, but good news about Christ; not an invitation to us to do anything, but a declaration of what God has done; not a demand, but an offer.”
– John Stott, The Message of Galatians: The Bible Speaks Today, p. 70.
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I believe a common problem in American Christianity is that we have made it human centered — we view it mainly as what we are supposed to do and what we get out of it.

True Christianity is Christ-centered, Christ-focused, Christ-honoring, Christ-dependent, and Christ-driven. The gospel is, as John Stott says, a declaration of what God has done. This is the gospel that the apostle Paul preached not only to unbelievers, but also to believers (Romans 1:8-15). This is the gospel about which Paul says in Romans 1:17, “For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: ‘The righteous will live by faith.’

As Christians, we live either by faith or by works; either on the basis of what Christ has done or on the basis of what we do. We either approach God on the merit of Christ alone, or on our own merit. It is one or the other — it cannot be both.

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July 30th 2008
Pictures, At Last!

by steve on Just For Fun

Here are some pictures of our recent Church Picnic and Dodger Game events (courtesy of Enrique Monreal and Maureen Meza).

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